[0:01]The Joe Rogan Experience. A lot of this stuff that was going on with the strikes was centered around AI and what AI is going to do to the business. Like, where do you feel is going to be like the biggest problem with AI? Is it going to be with people's likenesses? Because there's a lot of that where they they want to use extras and own their digital rights forever, essentially be able to recreate them in any kind of film. But then there's also, you're going to have films that are written by artificial intelligence. You're going to have scenes that don't involve people, and it gets weird, right? It gets really weird, but it's actually an area that's for him. Yeah, we've been spending time looking at this. Like, my belief is it's sort of like, what's going to happen with electricity? Well, a lot of shit's going to happen with electricity. Some of it's going to be good, some of it's going to change stuff, some of it's going to be like, you know, this is going to be, you know, shit that kills a bunch of people. Like, it's it's it's opening a door that you can't, um, you know, say, well, talk about in a kind of a blanket way. But I think with what I see is that, for example, if you try to get Chat GPT or Claude or Gemini to write you something, it's really shitty. And it's shitty because by its nature, it goes to the mean, to the average, and it's and it's not reliable. And it's, I mean, I just can't stand to see what it writes. Now, it's a useful tool if you're a writer and you're going, ah, what's the thing I'm trying to set something up or somebody sends someone a letter but it's delayed two days and gets, and it can give you some examples of that. I actually don't think it's very likely that it can it's going to be able to write anything meaningful or in particular that it's going to be making movies like from whole cloth like Tilly Nor like that's bullshit. I don't think that's going to happen. I think it's not I think it actually it turns out the technology is not progressing in exactly the same way they sort of presented it. Um, and really what it is, it's going to be a tool, just like sort of visual effects and yeah, it needs to have language around it. You need to protect your name and likeness, you can do that, you can watermark it. Your those laws already exist. You can't I can't sell your fucking picture for money. I can't, you can sue me, period. I might have the ability to draw you, to make you in a very realistic way, but that's already against the law. And the unions are going to the guilds are going to manage this where it's like, okay, look, if this is a tool that actually helps us, for example, we don't have to go to the North Pole, right? We can shoot the scene here in our parkas and, you know, whatever it is and but then make it appear very realistically as if we're in the North Pole. That'll save us a lot of money, a lot of time, we're going to focus on the performances and not be freezing our ass off out there and running back inside. That's useful, just like Spencer Tracy and Katherine Hepburn used to be like driving their car and there's a wind blowing a painting behind them and it looked goofy and, you know, now, you know, in computer generate people use a lot of computer generated stuff and some of it is going to replace just that. Like instead of 500 guys in Singapore, you know, making two dollars an hour to to render all the graphics for a superhero movie, they're going to be able to do that a lot easier. There's already laws around and guild guidelines around like how many union extras you have to use, but also we've been tiling extras. Like there weren't a million orcs in Middle Earth, you know what I mean? They're aren't in there weren't all those people in the stadium. Like, that's something we've been doing. It kind of feels to me like, I think we were talking about earlier, where there's a lot more fear because we have the sense of existential dread. It's going to wipe everything out. But that actually runs counter in my view to what history seems to show, which is a adoption is slow, it's incremental. Um, I think a lot of that rhetoric comes from people who are trying to justify valuations around companies where they go, we're going to change everything. In two years, there's going to be no more work. Well, the reason they're saying that is because they need to ascribe a valuation for investment that can warrant the cap spend they're going to make on these data centers with the argument that like, oh, you know, as soon as we do the next model, it's going to scale up, it's going to be three times as good. Except that actually Chat GPT 5 about 25 times percent better than Chat GPT 4 and costs about four times as much in the way of electricity and data. So those they say that's like plateauing the early AI the line went up very steeply and it's now sort of leveling off. I think it's because and yes, it'll get better, but it's going to be really expensive to get better. And a lot of people are like, fuck this, we want Chat GPT 4 because it turned out like the vast majority of people who use AI are using it to like, as like companion bots to chat with at night. And stuff, there's no work, there's no productivity, there's no value to it. I would argue there's also not a lot of social value to getting people to like focus on an AI friend who's, you know, telling you that you're great and listening to everything you say and being sick of fantic. That's sort of aside issue. I think for this particular purpose, like, the way I see the technology and what it's good at and what it's not, it's going to be good at filling in all the places that are expensive and burdensome and they make it harder to do it. And it's always going to rely fundamentally on the human artistic aspects of it. Well, I think the more it becomes ubiquitous, the more people are going to appreciate real things that are made by real people. You know, like, you're you're still appreciate a handmade table, you know, you're going to appreciate a like, did you see, um, uh, the beast in me, Claire Danes? No, I didn't. I didn't. Yeah, I heard it was great. Fucking great. That lady, woo. She's terrific. Woo. When she's in a scene, you're just like, Jesus Christ. Like you like her fucking lips are quivering, like you believe everything that she's saying. Right, great actress. And you're right. People want that. I think people won't get any fucking deceptive right. I was like, I I did this interview with uh with Dwayne Johnson because he, you know, they when people are in these awards things, they sometimes have other actors interview them, you know, and I I did this interview with Dwayne and and and I asked him there's this scene in the smashing machine where where he's overdosed on drugs and his buddy comes to see him in the hospital. And and it really walloped me this scene. I thought it was so great and and I asked him and I was just like, can you just tell me about this scene like, did Benny did Benny Sati directed it, did Benny write this write that, did you work on that scene with them? He goes, no, we we actually worked on it together and I go, but how did that scene come to be? And Dwayne goes, well, my father was an alcoholic and I don't remember if he said substance abuser or alcoholic, but I didn't know the man. I don't want to impune him, but but he had he had a substance issue, whatever it was. He goes, and and uh, when my mom was diagnosed with stage three lung cancer, I was with her when the oncologist came in and she was lying in the hospital bed. And when he gave her the news, she pulled the sheet up over her head. And it's like, and it's and it's it was I'm I'm not doing it justice if you haven't. I mean, I know you've seen, yeah.
[7:05]But um, he said, yeah, so he explains that about his father and then he goes, and and uh, when my mom was diagnosed with stage three lung cancer, I was with her when the oncologist came in and she was lying in the hospital bed. And when he gave her the news, she pulled the sheet up over her head. And I looked at her and she just looked like a little like a little kid, you know, And I was like, all right, like so that, right, is two traumatic events from this guy's life, right? from his life experience.
[7:41]And the actor in him, right, sees this scene, goes into his memory, pulls these two things out, understands that they're appropriate for this scene and he can marry them together in the scene and then he goes and performs it that way. And a dude walking in off the road, goes to the movies, sees this, understands somehow that it's fucking real. I I didn't know why. I that's why I wanted to ask him, how did that scene come to be? I genuinely didn't know. And and there's no technology. No. It's the whole lot more than photorealistic images. You can't you can't have you could you could you could have an AI understand Dwayne's face and move his face into different. No fucking thing could ever do that. The complications of real life experiences relayed. That is a completely human. That is an that is an artist. That's a piece of art that comes out of a lived human experience. NFL playoffs, let's go. DraftKings Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NFL, makes every moment feel bigger. Postseason games shift fast and with DraftKings live betting options, you can stay right in the moment. Plus, DraftKings has your back with early exit protection. If the player in your eligible NFL prop bet goes down at any point in the first half, you still get paid in cash. New customers bet just five dollars and if the bet wins, you get 300 in bonus bets instantly. Download the DraftKings Sportsbook app now and use the code Rogan. That's code Rogan to turn five bucks into 300 in bonus bets if your bet wins. In partnership with DraftKings, the Crown is yours. Gambling problem, call 1-800 Gambler in New York, call 877-8 Hope and Y or text Hope and Y 467369 in Connecticut, call 888-789-7777 or visit cpg.org on behalf of Casino and Resort in Kansas. Pass through a per wager tax may apply in Illinois. 21 and over agent eligibility varies by jurisdiction, void in Ontario. restrictions apply. bet must win to receive bonus bets which expire in 7 days, minimum odds required for additional terms and responsible gaming resources C D K.com/audio limited time offer.
