[0:00]So I am very thankful to be here today with Samuel, who I actually met in my women's French speaking practice group. Yes, I did say women's. He somehow made his way into that group. But that's where we met, and he has a very interesting life, so I thought he would be a fascinating person to interview today and I am certain that you're going to enjoy it. So thank you so much, Samuel, for being here.
[0:29]Camille, thank you for having me here. I am very excited. Can you tell me a bit about yourself? Well, Camille, I was born at a very young age and from there, I just realized what you said. I was born at a very young age. But in all seriousness, I was born in North Carolina, in Charlotte, the big city. And from there, I went to the same school for 13 years, K through 12, with the 80 people. So all 80 of these students, we all grew up together. So it's like I had 79 other brothers and sisters. That's crazy. for 13 years straight, which is looking back pretty special. How many brothers and sisters did you actually have? I have one little sister. Okay. And her name is Sarah and soon she'll be getting married to her fiance. Oh, nice. He just asked back in March. Yeah, very cool. Can you tell me a bit about your upbringing? My father, when he went to college, he majored in musical theater. Mhm. So he loved singing and acting and dancing, but now he runs his own company. Wow. And he wanted my sister and I to understand that even though he runs his own company and he has work that is professional, it's always very important to know how to speak and present and talk and act.
[2:10]Wow. And that ended up being a very big part of our lives. Yeah, how do you feel like that's shaped who you are today? Do you feel confident in speaking in front of people, acting, all of those things? I notice a real advantage, a real strength in being able to stand in front of people and be relaxed and present information because even today, I might not be in front of a thousand people, but in business, in life, with speaking one-on-one in interviews, Yeah. when you have one or two people that you need to impress, that you need to make a connection with, Mhm. it's always good to first be relaxed and then let things just kind of keep moving. Yeah. How do you relax before saying interview, a presentation, meeting new people? Do you have any tips like psychological ways? One of the best ways I think brings the tension down in any situation, it's got to be comedy. Oh, okay. You got to be able to make yourself laugh. If we're not laughing, we're crying. Okay. So you got to be, you got to be able to laugh it off. And then another thing that my dad always told me to do was when we're speaking or when we're presenting or selling something or in sales, Mhm. Don't keep your hands like this. Don't keep your hands here. Don't put your hands here. Leave them out and leave them open because it makes everybody relax. It's hey, we're relaxed. Give me a hug. We're relaxing over here. Yeah, it's true. Body language says a lot. If I was like, Samuel, like, so it just would feel closed, you know? Camille, thank you so much. What a great question. It really makes me think. My favorite food is food for thought, by the way. Exactly. No, that's good. I like that. Relax. It's true. When you can laugh, too, it just lightens the mood and everyone feels comfortable and then you realize, oh, this isn't so awkward or as bad as I thought it was going to be, or whatever. Well, in all things, whether it was the people I met or the things I got to do growing up, adventure has always been a very big part of my life. I can't seem to stay still. Okay. Tell me a little bit about some of those adventures. Well, my parents did an incredible job raising me to be well-mannered, respectful, disciplined, but I am far from domesticated. Okay. Uh, when I was young, I ran off and I joined a circus where I performed in the circus for a couple years. How old were you? You ran off, like, did your parents know? I remember I was introduced to it all uh when I was 18 years old. I taught this French girl how to salsa dance. No way. And she thought that it was kind of funny. I met, I did a terrible job at. I have no doubt I did very poorly as a teacher, but we had fun and then she said, hey, why don't you come with me and I'll show you what I like to do. Whoa! And she was a trapeze artist from France. Amazing. And she had all these friends who were acrobats and circus performers. Amazing. And they introduced me and then I was like, oh my gosh. I love this. Wow. When I went to college for the first year in Charlotte, I was sitting there in class, typing on the computer, taking notes. And then I realized, wow, I'm so bored. No. I closed the computer. I got up and I was like, I'll see you. And I looked up on my phone, circuses in North Carolina. No way. True. I just left. Just drove to the circus. Yep, and I auditioned later that day and got cast, so. Wow. And what was your main role in the circus? My favorite thing was being an aerial acrobat, which means that I would climb up into the trapeze or the silk, anything that would hang from the sky. Wow.
[6:33]And I would swing upside down, grab people. Wow, that's wild. Did you also learn how to juggle? We did do a lot of juggling and some handstands and all kinds of fun things with. Wow. everybody. How long were you a part of the circus? You said two years? I was a part of the circus for four years and we I did all kinds of uh crazy little shows from time to time. Wow.
[7:00]But all things must come to an end, so I went to a different adventure. And what was the different adventure? Well, while I was in the circus, from time to time, my family, we would go on vacation. And where we would go, we would go to the Dominican Republic. Nice. We love the people, we love the Bachata dancing. I love dancing. Okay. Camille, do you like dancing? I'm not a good dancer, but I have fun with it. Do you, do you think you and Calvin would want to go dancing? Oh, maybe. Next episode. Oh my God. I teach them to dance. But we would go down there, I would dance and next to the ocean, they had all these places where you could rent little boats. And I would try to take these little boats out and I'd I'd flip them over, flip them over. You know, I wasn't ever very good. But over the course of five years, Yes. I just kept working on it. Every year that we'd go down there, I would just keep doing it. And then one day, I was over in South Carolina and there was a big lake and I was paddling out on the lake and I saw a boat sailing by. And I thought, I'm going to talk to them. I paddle over to these guys and I say, hey! They look at me and I, I was like, hey, I I love sailing. I want to be on that boat. I like sailing. I want to come sail with you guys. You know, I should be on that boat because you know, I I can help you guys. They're for, they're. Yeah, that's not so common. And then this one guy on the boat, he says, what are you doing next week? I go, nothing. It was my birthday. Yeah. But And he says, why don't you buy a ticket to Vermont and we'll go sail up there? What? Okay. I said to them. I got out my phone. I said, hey, dad, I know what I'm going to do for my birthday. Hey, hey, hey. I'm going to buy a ticket to Vermont. I'll explain later. Buy the plane ticket. I was going to fly out. I got COVID, couldn't go. No. No. The guy felt so bad. He's like, oh, Samuel, I feel so terrible. I'll make it up to you. Do you like golf? Do you like I said, it's all right. It's okay. No, it's okay. I just feel bad. On November 12th of this past year, I get a phone call from that guy at 9:00 at night. I pick up the phone. I say, hello. He goes, hey, Samuel. It's me, the guy from the boat. He's like, hey, we'd never met before. We'd only ever texted or called him person. He says, hey, I was just thinking, we should buy a boat together. What? So I said, like, a, like, a, like, a real boat. He's like, yeah, there's like this 25-foot boat. I think we should just buy it and just sail it together all the time. Wow. And um, I said, okay. So first day that we ever met each other was the day that we go to see this boat that, uh, we bought and, uh, we went and sailed it. He, uh, he texted me this morning. He said, do you want to sail? I said, I can't. I'm with Camille. Oh, my gosh. Can't sail when Camille needs you. Rule number one. Very important rule. Thank you. Thank you. So this guy's become your friend now. You guys are friends. You go sailing. Yeah. Wow. Maybe I want to go sailing. I would be down to try sailing. You guys really would love to have you guys come sail. Oh, yeah. Oh, fantastic. I, yeah. Do you like the water? Can you swim? Yes, yes. All my kids can swim. Even my three-year-old learned this year. Yeah, they're all great. They love the water. They dive, they dive through inner tubes if we hold them up. They're amazing.
[11:07]It's like SeaWorld. Yeah, kind of. With little shamu. And they get in that pool every single day. They love it. What lake do you sail on? Uh, Keowee. Lake Keowee. Amazing. Have you seen it though? Not recently. Okay, you got to come with me. Okay. Seriously. You guys you guys really. Okay. Lake Keowee is phenomenal. It is a huge freshwater lake. It is so clear. You can just see you can see forever down there. And what makes it so unique and it's it's an incredible fishing spot. I'm not much of a fisherman. Yeah.
[11:46]But it's right next to the Duke Energy power plant. I don't know if I told you about this. They let the water flush over the reactors to cool them down. Okay. And that water then heats up from having to cool down all those reactors. So in the winter, in the dead of winter, the lake is kept five degrees warmer, which allows the fish to keep spawning. That's genius. And now these fish are growing. Uh and uh it's an incredible thriving fishing location. Amazing. I have a spear and I swim down there. And if I see a fish that I'd like to eat, just stab it. And you actually get it. Usually they get away. Okay. So your fishing record is, um, very hungry all the time. Okay. But um, yeah, you swim there, kayak there, sail there, all of the above. Wow. And they have a little, uh, little islands, and you're welcome on them. You jump on in there. Amazing. Very cool. So you have been a part of the circus, you learned how to sail. What else have you done? Okay. So recently, and this one's kind of crazy. When I was 16 years old, my dad and I, we went to a Renaissance festival. Do you know these things? Yeah. I love them. When my mom and dad got married, their first job was to work at a Renaissance festival. Actually. No way. In North Carolina. Yeah, I think that's, that's wonderful. Wow. So they were working at this. So we go to the Renaissance festival. There are people there, dressed up, fun, merriment. There was this group of people who had made these metal swords and they were displaying them and you could buy them there. We went, we took a look at them. They were selling for like $500. Like it was an uncanny amount of money and I, you know, they looked nice. My dad says, look, they made that. Isn't that impressive? I said, no, it's not impressive. I could, I could do that. Here we go. Arrogant. And he says, you really think you could do that? Yeah. So he said, I don't know about that. What I ended up doing was I went home, I looked up everything there was to know about metallurgy and smithing and all these things. I go to Lowe's and I buy these pieces of equipment and tools and everything to make a sword and so I start getting to work making them. Oh, yeah.
[14:17]And my good buddy at the time, this is actually kind of a sweet story. My good buddy at the time, he says, oh, man, that's so cool. Would you make me one? I said, I'll make you one. I promise. No way. In the middle of making it, uh, it was molten, it was molten hot like where the sparks are flying. Like the Taylor Swift song. Oh, okay. Spark fly. Great song. I didn't quench it in the water. I leaned it up against something else. I was working on something else and it fell on me and it burned down my shoulder. Oh, do you have a scar? Oh, yeah. It's gnarly. Intense. But that's why I love camping. It's intense. But, uh, scar burns down my arm and then OSHA mom shuts me down. OSHA mom, what do you mean? Your mom. OSHA, OSHA, the workplace safety company. No, no, but my mother asks the office of workplace safety industry. Okay, okay, okay, got you, got you, got it. She's like, no, you're not doing that.
[15:25]She comes in with a hard hat. Shut it all down. So it's over. Uh, recently, that friend of mine, he was getting married and he had told his girl, his girlfriend, now wife at the time, when they were engaged, he said, you know, Samuel, one of my groomsmen and I was I was a groomsman. He said, he was actually going to make me a sword when I was 16. How, how funny is that little story? No way. She says, he's got to do it. He's got to finish it. And if he finishes it, that will be what we cut the cake in our wedding with. No way. So they told me, they said, Samuel, you have to finish what you and I looked through the attic for about an hour and I found the old piece of that metal. Cleaned it off, fired up the forge. Wow. Wow. And as an adult, I can work on it without OSHA. OSHA mom. So, and I went back and I finished it, scraped the whole thing, polished it, put a little hilt on it. Everything that I was working on. And, uh, I drove it down to Alabama where their wedding was, and put it across the table. I have a I can show you. We put it across the table and, uh, the two of them after they got married, they cut their cake with it. That's amazing. Yeah. Have you ever made any more? I have, I've made a number of them. Really? So kind of like stirred that creative spirit up in you again and making swords. Wow. Very cool. So you also speak a number of languages. I like to think so. Which I think is amazing because as an American, we don't really learn languages. I mean, we're exceptions to the case, but typically, I feel like English is it. Maybe a tiny bit of Spanish. But why did you start learning languages and what was the first language that you learned? Each language that I learned was always a surprise to me because I never thought that I would ever learn a language. I remember taking language class in high school, thinking, this, I'm never doing this again. Yeah. But then I remember around the time, I was 17 years old, and God put it on my heart uh to just start loving this family who was in my city. They were Japanese. And their dad, it was a mom and two younger daughters and their father. Their father went on a business trip to Japan and while he was there, there was an accident and he died. Oh. And he left the family behind. And so I started to learn Japanese so that I could go over to their house and if they needed help with groceries, taking their kids to school, or if they wanted to go do something fun or, Yeah, that's amazing. I would do that. Did they speak English? They have their whole all their friends and their community was Japanese and so they brought me into their little Japanese community family and there I was for four years learning Japanese with them and to being a part of it. Wow.
[18:41]So did you study much on your own or were you just learning from speaking with them? I every Monday night, there was a pastor, I remember this. There was a pastor at a Baptist church. He was from Japan and he was in his he was in his seventies. He had come over to Charlotte, North Carolina, and he heard about what I was trying to do. And he told me, every Monday night, if you come here, every Monday night, I will teach you how to speak Japanese. And all we had was a Japanese Bible. Wow. So I didn't exactly learn words for like beginner vocabulary. My vocabulary was odd. Everyone said, my father they'd say, your son, he speaks like he's a psalmist or like a poet or something. I remember they had a thing. They had a question where everyone had to go around and they had to describe, it was it was you know, a bunch of younger people. They had to describe their first teacher. Oh, and they said, my teacher was kind. Oh. My teacher was funny. And they said, oh, that's very. And in Japanese, of course. And then I said, Samuel, what about you?
[19:55]Oh my goodness. I said, hmm, my teacher was deeply merciful and abounding in grace. Oh my goodness. It's because you're a shame if you can't hit us. So that was so funny because that's the kind of words I learned, you know, you didn't learn like friendly, you learned redeemed. Wow. Yeah, biblical words, that's so interesting. Deep words. Then when I was 19, God told me, he said, start learning Spanish. Start learning French. And he, I'll open up a door for both. And then three years later, I was in the Dominican Republic and I ran into this one person and they were Hispanic and God's like, just just tell them about me. Wow.
[20:33]So I did and I just said, hey, here's God and this and he's after you and he's intentional with you and he's gracious and kind. He's like, he's a good friend. He's really funny. And Jesus Christ is the least religious person that I know, but he's a savior and he's perfect. And he wants to be daily in relationship with you. Um, and you can be because of what he's done. Wow.
[21:00]And it just kind of like, I don't know if that it clicked with them or anything, but it was all the Spanish that I had. I piled it on all at once. And then I remember, I left the Dominican three days later and then I got a call on the phone from that person and they had called me and they were with one of their family members and they wanted to be a Christian and give their life to Jesus. This is three days later. And it was it was a beautiful story. They asked me if I would pray over everybody on the phone call. Wow. Wow. You know the song, Reckless Love?
[21:29]Yeah. By Cory Asbury, I looked up the lyrics, I looked Reckless Love in Spanish and I don't know to say. So I started I started reading it. And I was like, oh, I'm more seen condition. And there. Thank you, Samuel. It was kind of funny because I didn't know to say. So that was kind of funny. Wow. Moved to France when I was 19, uh, not 21, three years later. Okay. Okay. How did you learn French? I learned French and Spanish the exact same ways. I just took note cards and I wrote things down and I just carried them around with me all day or I'd go on YouTube and you know, Disney movies. You know, everyone kind of knows those songs. You listen to those in that language and you just one of the big things is you just find things that you want to talk about. That's good. I wanted to talk about CrossFit coaching. I was a CrossFit coach. I like that. I liked some of their idioms. I liked their expressions. Yeah. Um, learning Italian now, I like one of the expressions that they have. It's kind of like the English version of you can't have your cake and eat it too. Mhm.
[22:42]It's uh, you can't have a full bottle of wine and a drunk wife. Yes. That's in French, too. I'm pretty sure that one's in French, too. Yeah. That's interesting. I thought that was I was like, that's so funny. I just thought that was such a funny way of saying that. Wow. So you're currently learning Italian. Italian is what I feel like I should be learning next. I don't know why, but whenever God puts it on my heart to learn a language, somebody shows up who needs something in that language and I'm glad that I started. Wow.
[23:09]Wow. What else do you feel like language learning has done personally for your life? Learning language has impacted me personally in a lot of different ways because I love making connections. I love communicating. I love being relationally driven with people. Social media in general. It's, well, I don't know what's authentic. You know, we love tested things, but we hate the test. I like being able to put in some work to show somebody, hey, before I met you, I was intentional about hopefully learning a way to communicate with you because I want you to know, I want to open a door to make a connection with you. And the best way I can show you that is by me, you know, a white American guy who I don't have to learn anything else in the entire world if I don't want to. But I think from where I'm coming from, if I show you the people, there's sometimes they're jaw just drops and I start speaking to them. I said, where are you from? The Japan. Oh, I'm from Honduras. I just. Why? Why do you do that? Because I want to talk to you because I hoped one day I would meet someone who spoke your language and that I could speak with you. I want I love the idea of I was thinking about you before I knew you. So that I could connect with you in language. Language does that. That's cool.
[24:32]It's awesome and it it shows people that you you care about them or that you're intentional and that communication is communication's huge. It's just such a big thing. Yeah. And really communicating, you know, I don't want to just send you a text. Hey, I hope you're all right. I I don't know. I'll I want to call you. I want to be there. I want to say, do you need anything? Can I come over? Can I bring you dinner? Can I So I don't know, anything. There are all kinds of ways to be intentional. That's good. And you've mentioned a few countries that you've lived in and traveled to. Do you have a particular country that you feel especially connected with? There are so many great places to travel and to go and um, you know, at the end of the day, it's never really the place, it's the people. Hmm. I've been to a lot of places, but if the people aren't there, it's not the same. Um, you know, I was telling somebody just last night, home really isn't a place, it's a it's it's a people. And it can be, it can be anywhere. And I think we've all unique way of making homes. I think some of the best growth in my life was during some of those, uh, trips to the Dominican Republic or to France. I think my family and I, we have great stories and memories from visiting Iceland, from visiting Norway, from visiting, uh, England, you know, trips to Canada, Nova Scotia, little spots around there. It's all it's all been fun. It's all been eye opening for all the reasons that travel can be and it is, but when I travel, I really want to make sure that I can get involved and really meet people. When I lived in France, I didn't go to all the tourist spots. I went and I uh, tried to see if I could get a part-time job at a restaurant, like cleaning up, cleaning up their tables or their dishes because that's people, that's what you do. Yeah. Yeah.
[26:35]It's just like people in New Yorker is like, do you go to the Statue of Liberty every day? No, I don't do that. I go to I go to work, or I go sit over here, or we go to the gym. Yeah. So I like I like getting to live like everybody. I don't want a tourist all over. I want to I want to live like them and be a part of what they have going on. Mhm. That's a really good point you make. And you've spoken a little bit about work and how you have trouble sitting still. What is your job? How do you make money? My job, a little work philosophy was a lot of people say, what do you want to do? That's a lot of pressure because I didn't know. But I could tell you this, I could tell you how I wanted to live. And how you want to live is a big question. You can be, you can use your imagination. You can use creativity. You get to let your mind run wild, and you dream bigger. What you want to do is like, oh, I hope you're happy in what you do. That's kind of a bummer. How how do you want to live? Here's how I wanted to live. I wanted to live in a way that my job that I chose, would essentially be the vehicle that gets me there. And I wanted it to be something where I could use languages, relational sales, connections. I wanted to be able to control my time and my schedule because I believe that one day I'm going to have a wife and children and they'll be the most important things in my life. So I want to be able to steward my time to spend the most of it with them. Um, and the job that I'm in now, which is outside sales. I travel for sales, travel on sales calls, going to try to join the international branch coming up. I get to do that. It allows me to live the kind of lifestyle that I believe I'm called to live. And then it also allows me to make the money where everything I want to do for other people or I could give it for for free. Wow.
[27:35]Wow.
[29:03]My first language teacher, he was a Japanese pastor. I asked him, I say, hey, do you ever want me to get paid for these lessons? He says, no, freely I freely learned Japanese growing up in Japan. Freely receive, freely give. My English, I learned it for free just being born in America. And so if you all need to learn English, whoever they are, I became an English teacher so that and I got this job so that everything I can give, I give for free. I tell them, everything that I can give is yours because that's I mean, that's kind of how God treats me. Take away the job, you can take away my car, you can take away. I'm still the richest man in the world because of what God has done for me. Wow.
[29:47]So everything that I can give is theirs. Wow. What do you most appreciate about life here in the USA? Number one, the men that I've been able to model after and look up to here down in the Carolinas and Tennessee, the southeast region, which is where I've spent all my life. They believe in a hard work ethic that hard work pays off. And you know, you're not given things in life, you earn those things. My dad, I remember, uh, when I was born, they didn't even know if I would be able to be fed because he risked everything to try to make something with his own two hands. And I think America is still maybe the best place on earth to be able to build something and create something. And that's that's who's image we made it. Create something, build something, make something, not just mundanely work, like there is no goal but to have goals, to push ourselves, to strive and to reach. And I know that that heart can be found across the world. Mhm. But where I've seen it modeled in America has been awesome. And that passion and that drive, I think is really unique to the men and the businesses and the things that I've seen here in America. And then I also love just the ability that we have of being down here where Christianity and Jesus and the Bible is known by most people and it's known by many and there's a certain there's a hospitality, there's a culture to it. Um, which I really appreciated growing up in a big way. I really did. We've been being able to trust so many adults in my city, uh because we all came from a homogeneous place. It wasn't that we were all the same. We were all from different parts of the some of us from different parts of the world, but we all agreed on the same morals and the same values. And that I mean, that has to be said about every civilization if it's going to thrive. What are two things that come off. What would you say, uh, I don't like this about America. What's like something maybe challenging or hard about living here? Camille, a challenge for America, which is going to prove to be a challenge for every country where people live, just not because we're Americans or because French are French or because Spanish is Spanish, but because we're people, we're humans. We're flawed. But America uniquely, without struggle, without problems, where there is abundance that isn't received humbly and graciously, complacency sets in. Apathy sets in. And when there are no challenges, there are no goals, there is no striving, uh, we we like problems. And so we just make our own. When things are too easy and men are not pushing each other or themselves, complacency sets in. And discourse soon follows. My fear and my, it breaks my heart for America as a country, is to see maybe for the first time in its history, on a on a wide scale, a generation of men and women divided in passion and pursuit. And the goal seems to be discourse, not unity behind a common goal. And when that happens and factions and discourse and division, uh, Abe Lincoln said it best, that that kind of house doesn't stand. But I my desire, what I wake up and I want to see and the change that I hope to be just by who I am and how I live is men would once again be passionate, servant leaders. They would be gentle men. They would be meek, yet courageous. And, um, they would serve women. And women wouldn't have to fight for a role and identity and have to argue for a place in the story, but because of the way that men would treat them, they would know inherently exactly where their role is. Men got to step up because when the, I mean, Jesus sometimes when boys are some boys are 40 years old when they play games with the responsibilities and the privileges of men without assuming any of the responsibility, people get hurt. Families get hurt. Yeah.
[32:41]Yeah.
[34:38]But we don't exactly cultivate a culture that teaches boys to grow out of adolescence. We in fact, we made up a word called adolescence, which doesn't exist. You're either a boy and you get none of the privileges of men or you assume those responsibilities and ascertain the privileges because you step into the role of being a man. But that means when it goes wrong, it's all on you. You got to step up. Taking responsibility. Yeah. What are currently your biggest passions? Things that bring you the most joy in your life? Some of my biggest passions right now, uh, for the past nine years, I've been preparing myself to I'd love to be married. Oh. Uh, to receive, uh, the blessing of getting to be married to serve a wife, have her in my life. So preparing for her, saving for her, making decisions that now that I hope she'll get to reap the reap the crop of. Um, that is definitely a passion of mine. Right now, there have been people placed in my life that I get to serve, I get to speak into their life. I get to be with. I get to help out. And, you know, you try you I, that's thing we got. You try to bless somebody, you try to help you just get blessed back two times as much. My heart has been so changed in the service and the just being knit so closely together with these people, uh, in my life, uh, I'll be forever changed and they have left a handprint upon my heart. Uh, my family actually calls me new Samuel. No way. because I'm just more gracious and gentle and not as angry all the time and, uh, I I love what God's doing. I just love what he's doing. But men, being men, boys initiated into masculinity, uh, assuming responsibility, being disciplined, uh, integrity. These are things that, you know, I'll lose sleep over it and you need accountability for it. And, um, it's getting on that phone in front of a bunch of people and then getting ready to be like, oh, jeez. I'm about to be made to I'm about to be roasted. But it's going to make me grow up. So that's what it's about. I love it. Wow.
[37:03]So that's what it's about. But in, you know, on a lighter note, sailing's been fun. Oh, good. Well, we have talked about a lot in this interview, everything from sailing to circuses to not going to university, to faith and I did finish college, by the way. Oh, yeah. So I did that. Yeah. Great job. Congratulations. So you went back to university.
[37:40]I did go to school. Yes. But I just left the class that day. Okay. Okay. Got you. So what did you end up graduating with like, Communications. I just go to college. Oh, yeah. Good. Okay. So he did graduate. I did go to school. Yes.
[37:54]I hope that you guys enjoyed watching this interview. I sure had a good time and I am so thankful that you were here. Thank you so much, Camille. It's been a really excellent time. Thank you, everyone.
