[0:00]Now, there was no absolutely no ET craft, ET technology, anything like that at Area 51. This is why S4 was made specifically to separate it there. The people at Area 51 do not have the clearance. I was paid by the Department of Naval Intelligence, and what they're doing, researching extraterrestrial craft is beyond me. But that's that's where my checks came from, so I can only assume that uh they were in charge of that. At one time the Russians were involved, and supposedly there was some breakthrough made. By our team, however, this project was split up, and right after that happened, uh the Russians were no longer permitted on the facility at all. And uh, you know, that's that's all I know about it, what was discovered, why they were kicked out, when they started working with us is all unknown to me. I was put into the briefing room with 121 or 22 briefings and really was just told to sit and read through them. I think they were there just to mainly educate me on on what was going on. They weren't in a complete in-depth explanation on everything else, but just uh essentially a brief synopsis on some of the other projects that were going on there. Supposedly, the information, now this isn't something that I determined, it's something I was told, that the crafts originated from uh, a planet that orbited the Zeta Reticuli star systems. Zeta Reticuli 1 and Zeta Reticuli 2 are two two stars of a binary star system. Uh, the craft allegedly came from there. One or two autopsy photographs I saw uh dealt with just a small photograph, a bus shot essentially just head, shoulders and chest of an alien with a uh chest was cut open in T-fashion and one single organ was removed. Uh, the organ itself and then in the other picture was uh cut and vivisection essentially. The uh, showing the different chambers in there, this was totally unrelated to anything I was doing, but from that photograph, it looked like what you see in UFO lore as the typical gray. So how tall it was from what I could see I I couldn't tell because I only saw a portion of the photograph, but if everything else you see is correct, I would imagine it was three and a half or four feet tall. But uh there again, you know, all I had to see was a photograph and you know, I didn't have much to go on. Allegedly, this interaction has occurred since, you know, man was a simian creature. And uh, you know, there were genetic alterations made. How specifically did the briefings detail how the aliens manipulated our genetics over the centuries? It mentioned 65 or 63 uh, corrections or additions to the genetic makeup uh that finally resulted in, you know, a a human creature.
[3:54]Allegedly, I obviously, I I didn't see this and I don't know it to be fact, but this is what I was told that I was hired uh to replace one of a couple people that were killed uh while working on one of the reactors from one of the crafts. Apparently, they for whatever reason cut open an operating reactor. And the device exploded, killing both of them. The scientists that were killed there, uh allegedly, the detonation from the explosion was fairly large. Uh, it would have rivaled a small tactical nuke, so it was done at the Nevada Test site and it was to be passed off as an unannounced nuclear nuclear test. Again, this was a story that was relayed to me and uh, allegedly, what happened in 79, there was some sort of information exchange going on where there were actual live aliens at the facility. And at one particular point, there was an area where some security personnel went to enter. And apparently, because not the side arms, but the bullets in the side arms, from what I understand, if they would have entered the area, the bullets would have detonated. Uh, and supposedly, one of the creatures tried to stop the security personnel from entering the area and a fight ensued and the bottom line from the altercation was that the uh, security personnel, I don't remember how many were involved, but were all killed and they died of head wounds and that's all that all that I heard of that story. There were 22 people with majestic clearance. I had majestic clearance. Majestic clearance was designated as a clearance 38 levels above Q clearance and Q clearance is the civilian uh top secret clearance. It probably really hit me when I got inside the craft and looked around and began to understand how the craft was operated and finally grasp the whole project as a whole.
[6:03]As what we were doing, the fact that we weren't building this thing, we were trying to find out how it was made, we were back engineering it. Uh normally the bus pulled around to the opposite end of the facility, which was the main entrance and that's where we went in. On um, this particular occasion, it pulled up to one of the hanger doors, which were normally closed and the last one was open. We came out and I saw the disc in the hanger. Uh, upon seeing it, it it struck me that, well, this explains all the UFO sightings, not thinking that it was an extraterrestrial craft, that this must have been some advanced form of fighter that we've been working on for years and, you know, people have just caught it being tested, so on and so forth. And uh, it never even occurred to me, even though I was looking at an extraterrestrial vehicle, that, you know, this wasn't man-made. Uh, people have asserted that, boy, that must have been the most exciting time in your life, and I that's not the way it was. When I first got to look inside the craft, the all I can say it's an ominous feeling. You walk in there and uh, it's it feels as if you shouldn't be there. I know that sounds kind of corny, but it's a real ominous feeling, it's not an exciting feeling. Uh, it brings up a whole lot of questions in your mind, well, where did this come from and you know that they won't give you the answers to the whole story, but it's a that's the only way I can describe it. There are nine and their shapes vary. I only got to do a close inspection on one of them. Uh the others I just briefly saw and they they pretty much varied. I give everything nicknames there. The one I worked on was kind of sleek-looking and I gave it the name Sport Model. Um, there was one that looked like a Jello mold. There was one that looked like a top hat. Uh, there was a disc that was turned up on its side and it had a large projectile hole with the metal bent outwards on it. Uh, I can only surmise they were testing it to see if uh a projectile could penetrate it. Of course, it was just a guess on my part, but for the most part, they were pretty pretty varied. I only entered the Sport Model. The other ones I wasn't uh, allowed to loiter around, to go near. I I really even to look at. I just at one point, walking through the hanger doors, all the bay doors between all the hangers were open and I got a a glimpse all the way down. Uh the whole corridor, but that was the only time it was ever open. The lower level of the craft, the floor itself is hexagonal, little hexagonal squares. And the hatch, or if you want to call it a hatch, the access way to get in there is an ingenious little assembly. It's a honeycomb structure and if you put your fingers in one into the honeycomb and push, all the honeycombs will collapse in on each other, making a hole. It's kind of a neat uh, a neat doorway, something that we could, you know, use, I I don't know what for. But I mean, it's it's something that I haven't seen before and it's kind of a novel idea, but a very efficient, lightweight, very strong uh, access way. I had to hang upside down in there to see the lower uh, the lower level essentially. And there were three large gravity amplifiers. These devices looked like about a two-foot diameter, four-foot long piece of pipe hanging by a smaller piece of pipe from the level above and they can be independently positioned. Uh, and that's what what emits the gravitational waves that propel the craft.
[10:10]The second level was the only other level that I was on, it was the main level, uh that contained the reactor, where the seating was. The gravity amplifiers themselves, though, we also called the devices that hung down on the lower level, the gravity amplifiers because they're really one and the same. They were probably the wave guides or horns, if you want to relate that to microwaves. Um, it would be extremely inconvenient for a human pilot. Humans really can't even function in there, the because of the ceiling clearance, uh the seats were so tiny. Uh, it was obviously made for a creature much smaller than a human. It produces a gravity wave, which is similar to the gravity wave that the Earth produces. However, the craft phase shifts the wave. In other words, it it turns the wave not really in an opposite polarity, but something to that effect, where it will work against the natural gravity wave of the Earth and it produces lift in in that effect. Well, the craft generates its own gravitational field, being inside that field, essentially, doesn't shield you, but it essentially, you're in, and this is a terrible way to say it, almost in a different realm, because you're you're now influenced only that by that gravitational field. For instance, people wonder how a craft like this can make a turn at such high speed, a 90-degree turn. When they would imagine people slamming up against the wall or something to that effect, well, that that really wouldn't happen. Inertia would have no effect. Uh, you're you're in a distortion, and don't forget that gravity distorts time and space. So really nothing is going to influence you while you're in there. There are three amplifiers.
[12:09]The craft can operate on a single one, can lift off the ground. The way in which it's propelled are two different ways. There's what they call Omicron configuration, where the craft is using one generator, uh, or delta configuration, where it's utilizing all three. Delta configuration would be for space travel. Essentially, the craft will tilt up on its side, as opposed to a science fiction move where you see a flying saucer moving around. The craft will tilt up on its side, focus the three gravity generators to a single point and move through space that way. Moving around a source of gravity is a problem to a disc because it's interference, essentially. So, what they do is they work with that interference to their benefit. They'll use one gravity generator to lift the craft off the ground. And as opposed to what we're used to, for instance, a plane, once it's in the air, we envision thrust or some force coming out the back of it to push it forward. The crafts work completely opposite of that. What they do is once they're hovering in the air, they'll swing the gravity, two remaining gravity generators up in front of them and create a distortion, essentially a downhill, and the craft rolls downhill for infinity. It's always chasing a little distortion. That's why they look goofy when they fly around at low speed because they're essentially and anytime you run over, you know, the gravity field around the Earth is not completely constant and stable, depending on the minerals and density of the Earth underneath it.
[13:54]The gravity will vary somewhat and you will get odd movements of the craft, so it's low-speed mode is is kind of unstable for the most part. I only witnessed one test flight up close officially. Uh, that I was in just inside the hanger, uh the test was going off probably, you know, uh, just as the sun was going down. And uh, it was a a low performance test. I believe there were uh some pilots or test pilots in the craft, the craft must have been retrofitted to fit them, because the seating arrangements were really not accommodated. Um, they were in radio communication with the craft, the craft lifted off the ground, uh virtually noiseless other than a small corona discharge on the bottom of the craft, indicating the presence of high voltage. Uh that dissipated at about 30 feet and it stood there completely silently and moved over to the left, to the right and sat back down, that was the entire uh, the test. However, that was an extremely impressive test. Uh, maybe to someone that really knows little about science or anything that that wouldn't be a whole lot, but you have to realize this craft was about 52 feet in diameter. I don't know exactly how much it weighed, but it weighed a lot. And uh, this was quite quite a scientific feat to lift something completely silently under control, and uh, you know, perform a maneuver like that. The craft itself was uh, I assume it was metal, it was cold to the touch, that's why I say it was metal, but it was a uh, brushed aluminum, actually just an unfinished stainless steel, not shiny uh, finish to it. Had no seams, it was as if it was injection molded from one giant die. I was completely amazed. I, gravity is something difficult to explain because it's something that we essentially don't understand, it's just something that we can observe. Not much is really known about gravity. Uh, there are many theories about it, but they are just mainly theories, theories of gravitons, which allege that there these these subatomic particles that that act like an attractive force, like gravity, that it exchange between two pieces of matter. There's also a theory that gravity is uh a form of wave, an electromagnetic wave, uh, but basically, gravity is a force. It's uh, it's it's the attraction, it well, it's the inherent property of matter to have gravity, a mutual attraction for each other. And that's it's basically all that we really know. Modern science, current science, right now, identifies one gravity. It's one force in nature, uh, apparently, through research at S4 or information gained from one of the crafts they were researching there. It appears that there are two different forms of gravity.
[17:00]One form works on an atomic scale, on subatomic particles, holding pieces of matter, holding atoms themselves together. Another works on a larger scale, the scale we're most familiar with uh, holding planets in orbit, holding ourselves to the ground, things of that sort. Because it produces a gravitational field, it I I wouldn't say the craft is invisible during the day. However, if you're under the craft because of the way the gravity is being used, gravity bends time and space and it it bends light. If you are looking underneath the craft or from certain vantage points, you will actually see what's above the craft. It's a it's really a trick of the way light bends under the influence of gravity. For instance, we can see stars that are behind the sun that are blocked from our view by the sun. The reason we can see them is because the sun is a tremendous gravitational field and it's bending the light around it where we can see the star. Space-time and gravity are all essentially interrelated. They all act on one another. Gravity bends space. Gravity also distorts time. When you vary one, you essentially vary the other two. Uh, if you as an example, if you have a massive body, say a planet or or something that's making a lot of gravity, producing a lot of gravitational waves, if you will, um, it distorts space, it bends space to it. It also slows down time. These things aren't theories, we know them to be true. Uh, we cannot artificially create this because we can't create gravity. But this is how they're all interrelated. How are vast distances of space traveled by amplifying a gravitational field? Well, because space-time and gravity are all interrelated, if you could produce gravity artificially, an extremely intense field of gravity, what you could do is actually distort the distance between two objects and make it shorter. Not just distorting the distance, but now you're also decreasing the time, the actual time between the two places. So, you're not traveling in a linear mode, like flying a spacecraft from point A to point B. You you've actually modified the time and the space that you travel in. So, you're now traversing a huge amount of distance with little time. And actually with traveling little distance. As crazy as it seems, that that's what's going on. There are several problems traveling at the speed of light. Uh, just a couple of them are the fact that as your speed increases, so does your mass proportionally. Uh, in other words, the more energy you put in to go faster, begins to slow you down by the fact that it's converted into mass. Um, you have other problems like just traveling at such an extreme velocity. Navigational problems, the fact that you might run into little tiny micrometeorites, uh at at speeds like this, it would undoubtedly destroy your craft. There's just a a a whole host of problems that you're going to run into, just attempting to do something like that. Aside from the fact, the amount of energy required to accelerate to the speed of light is uh horrendous. Project sidekick was another project going on, uh, with Galileo. Galileo was the project that I was involved in. Sidekick dealt with any of the weapon potential of the craft, whether or not the craft had a weapon in it or could it be used as a weapon, but it's had something that was some sort of particle beam uh configuration where the gravity generator can be used as a lens to focus focus a weapon of some sort. Similar to the SDI device we were working on in the uh, the 80s, but with the potential of a focusing device using the uh, gravity generator. Project Looking Glass dealt with the distortion, the fact that there's a time distortion, essentially, looking back in time, and by that, I do not mean looking back years ago to see the wagon train days. They're looking for distortions that are milliseconds in time and what what that was used for, I I don't know. But that was uh just observing the time that the time distortion, time dilation phenomena of the craft and operation. 115 is strictly an extraterrestrial material. Uh, it probably occurs naturally in some other places, maybe other star systems. Uh, some people not familiar with science or chemistry say, well, that's ridiculous, all the elements occur on Earth, you know. Uh, but that's not true. There are elements on the periodic chart that aren't found on Earth. I believe the Heavy Ion Research Lab in Darmstad, Germany, uh, has reached element 112 recently, so 115 isn't isn't that far away. And when they synthesize it, it's not like they're making a a couple ounces of it. They're talking about one or two atoms of it. To make any usable quantity of a heavy element like that is virtually impossible. Element 115 is in the top of the reactor, and the base of the reactor, apparently, is a small something similar to a cyclotron. It's a particle accelerator. Uh, a particle is accelerated to high speed and then deflected up a small tube and it's aimed at the 115. This transmutes the 115, uh similar to the way we we do that in a normal particle accelerator. Uh, this causes a reaction, a radiation emission that we really haven't seen before. Um, it produces anti-matter. This anti-matter is guided down a tune tube and reacts with a gas. When matter and anti-matter react, they convert to 100% energy. This energy is converted heat energy, is converted to electrical power in the reactor itself. This is done through a a thermoelectric converter. And this electrical power is used to power other subsystems on the craft, though there is no wiring, you know, as we Uh, also, that's almost a byproduct of the reactor. The reactor also sets up uh gravitational wave from the 115 being bombarded. This gravitational wave is present at the top of the reactor and is essentially guided in the same way microwaves are guided through tune tubes. And uh, this goes to their amplifying cavities and through the projectors that are in the bottom of the craft. There is no thermal radiation while the reactor's running. The thermionic generator is 100% efficient, which is in violation of the first law of thermodynamics, but in fact, it works. Element 115 is stable. And for those familiar with chemistry, we know that uh elements with higher atomic numbers have shorter and shorter half-lives. Um, however, when you reach a certain point, they call it the island of stability. There is a place, and we've theorized this for a long time, somewhere around 114 to 116, there should be an area in there where the nucleus of the atom is geometrically stable with protons and neutrons, where it it no longer decays, it's not radioactive. 115 is in fact this element. In fact, it does occur again, somewhere around element 247. Uh, of course, we're nowhere near synthesizing that, we can only, you know, predict things like that, but uh, that's that's where 115 is. Whether or not it was given to us, I I can't answer that question. However, I was told that we have 500 pounds by one of my co-workers. Uh, how it was obtained and, you know, where exactly it came from, I don't know. Whether it came in one of the crafts or, you know, a separate cargo somewhere, you know, anyone can speculate. But I was I was told that was the the figure. The test flights I saw off the base, actually, the the best test flight was witnessed by my friends who I'd brought out there. I at the uh, exact moment the craft was hopping around and doing some really impressive maneuvers, I had turned around and I think was uh, looking for the video camera or or something to that effect. But I missed some of the most uh impressive maneuvers. But the craft was uh similar to what was done before that I had seen close up, other than the fact that it went above the mountain range, uh, moved a much greater distance at a much higher rate of speed. The test flights were told to me, uh specifically because I was probably going to have to be present during those times. And at that time, the test flights were taking place on Wednesday nights, and from what they said, that was because that was uh statistically, the least amount of traffic in the area. And that's that's all that they were concerned about. There was a high voltage discharge on the bottom of the craft, but uh, as far as there being an exhaust, there wasn't one. Well, that's kind of the same reason why a neon light or a fluorescent light lights up, what you're dealing with is is a high energy source in essentially a gas atmosphere, oxygen, nitrogen, and uh, when you apply enough energy to a gas molecule, they emit photons, they emit light. And uh, I don't think it's anything, it it's a really a byproduct of how the craft operates, when it's emitting that much energy, the gas surrounding the craft emits light, the same reason why lightning is visible. You have a huge electrical discharge and the gas emits light in the form of lightning bolt. If you were going to see one of these crafts at night, operating, it would appear really as a glowing ball or a just a bright light in the sky from a distance. Uh, even close up, you know, you'd see a a glowing halo around it. Uh, this is typically what you'd see in your normal UFO sighting. When I was leaving the uh, Area 51 facility, heading down to S4, there was a tremendous roar. And I have described it as uh, it sound more like a rocket than a jet. And I I couldn't see out the windows of the bus, all I could see out was the the very front and as we came by, I asked Dennis, who was my supervisor and on the bus at that time, what that was. He said it was an Aurora, a high altitude research plane, and um, it was a large craft and the one glimpse I got of it was from the rear and it had two huge square exhaust with veins in them. And uh, it was just I it sound more like a rocket than a jet. I don't know, I even think he did mention that it was liquid methane powered. But uh, there again, you know, working on the disk technology, I really could care less what was rolling around at Area 51. But it it did catch my eye. One day, when I was getting on um, Interstate 15, driving down Charleston Boulevard, uh, a car came up alongside of me. And uh, I thought he was just trying to race me to get on the freeway. Uh, this was after I had left the project. Um, it was a white boxy-looking car, exactly what make and model I don't know. But um, I accelerated to get on the freeway to go fast and there was a gunshot and the back of the car was hit and I skidded off into the uh, median. And I stopped and I was frightened, and I just stood there because I thought the guy was going to be alongside of me and just shoot me. I had nothing to do. I was essentially paralyzed with with fear and I waited there and then nothing else happened.
[29:39]Uh, wasn't it I mean, it was an attempt on my life, but by who specifically, I I don't know. Though I was threatened uh, before I had left and they threatened my wife's life and my life, so I can only put two and two together and say that they were kind of pissed at me. After we were caught out when I had the test flight schedule and uh, I brought some friends out to show them the disk test. Uh, we got caught out there and the following day I was debriefed down at Indian Springs Air Force Base. And um, I was in the room with the security guards that caught us, my supervisor and some other people and uh, some of the security personnel. Uh, yeah, they were essentially grilling me about security and, you know, how could I possibly bring people out there and uh, I guess I wasn't as responsive as they would like, and they got in my face and one of them pulled a side arm out. You know, just pushed it again. For a very brief time after I left, Dennis, who was my supervisor, did try and make contact with me at the uh, the meeting place was the Union Plaza Hotel. And I took a a friend of mine, Jean Hoff down there and another friend, uh a former colleague and scientist from Los Alamos. And we did uh, we saw him, but I also did recognize some security personnel walking around there from S Force, whether or not it was a setup or what was going on or it was trying to talk to me. We never found out and we left, it just was a real strange situation and I never heard from him since. Well, if you want to word the question, how are my opinions changed, uh, I would say considerably. Before I was at S4, I was more or less one of the uh, one of the guys that thought, you know, all these government conspiracy and UFO buffs and things like that were complete lunatics. Um, I even remember before I was involved there a friend showed me a little newspaper clipping and said, John Lear was giving a lecture, who was uh touting that aliens from another world came to Earth and there's 70 different species. And I remember laughing on the phone that this guy had lost his mind and uh, I was also under the impression that, you know, well, the government's all for the people and they, you know, you know, they're out here to protect us and all that. And you know, after the experiences I had there, uh, everything is completely turned around. You know, the government is doing everything, but uh looking out for us. I mean, the only thing they're looking out is for themselves. You know, uh, obviously, the ET craft do exist. Something had to build them, so there must be aliens. And since there are and the craft were there, there must be some sort of factory and an entire civilization somewhere. And if if in fact that is true and it apparently is, then there must be others. Actual crafts and technology from another world and uh, that's probably the most important event in history. It kind of moved from science fiction into reality in my mind and uh, it really just I guess opened my eyes. The big thing is whether or not we can duplicate it. I mean, if we can understand what a device is or how something operates or what its physical makeup is, that's great. But if we can't duplicate it, it's useless to us. So, there's really two phases to the project going on there, it's understanding what we're looking at and then once we understand it, it is, can we duplicate it with earthly materials and earthly technology and, you know, unless we've got a handle on both of them, all that technology is useless to us. And, you know, if it turns out we can't do that, all we have is one single prized possession that we have to take care of and that's it. After all. I would probably have played along for a longer time. Um, I would like to have known a little bit more about the technology and uh, probably kept quiet if I could have. Um, and possibly never have said anything. Yeah, I almost wish I had done that.
[34:16]You know, it it's uh, it's really only caused headaches and problems, but um, I believe if I was given the opportunity again to go back in time and redo it, I think I pretty much would have just shut up and gone along with the program. I would have much preferred that instead of the Navy, or whoever it was, uh that hand-picked a few renegade scientists here and there, that they turn it over to some more qualified people.
[34:43]Obviously, I was not the most qualified person on propulsion or field propulsor or anything of that sort. I was just some guy. I mean, they could have picked, I could have named 10 or 12 other guys that were more qualified than me.
[35:01]But um, you know, if they turned it over to the scientific community and not just a couple guys here in the United States, I mean, you need a large group of people and a large lab to research what's going on there, uh not a little quiet installation. It's the it's the security itself that prevents them from getting anywhere. I mean, it they never do work hand-in-hand.
[35:21]You can't have a military mind, science itself, must communicate, you have to have a free exchange of ideas, that's how things progress. And when you clamp down on on a security system like that, where you work in isolated groups and ideas cannot be exchanged, you don't get anywhere and that's that's the problem they have. Well, I'm not really involved in any of that stuff anymore, that's kind of put behind me. Um, I have my own businesses that I work at, uh, some computer graphics, uh, some consultation, um, other technical jobs, radiation detectors and a few other things like that.
[36:03]Um, so really I just go about my life and that's, you know, something that happened that was fantastic and and it's over, but uh, it's kind of hard to shake it loose, but eventually I will and that'll be that. I think all the surveillance and everything stopped. I don't think anyone's bothering to monitor me. I I've said everything that I know, it's been all over the place, so it's kind of uh a done deal. As far as whether or not there were any craft out there, I believe, you know, they were out and gone in probably the late 89, early 90. And the only thing people see now out there are, you know, either flares or planes coming in to land, but uh, that's about it. I was never interested in flying saucers as a child. Science fiction, you know, I watch Star Trek, I guess, with everyone else back then, but uh, for the most part, you know, I didn't even believe in flying saucers up until I was employed at S4.
