[0:00]actually. ask you about. what do you believe about depression? Do you believe depression is a real thing? I believe that feeling depressed is real. I don't believe depression as a clinical disease is real, no. Really? You don't believe people can be clinically depressed? I think PTSD is very real. I unfortunately have some friends who suffer from that. I know that feeling depressed is real. I believe that the number one power you have against these things are taking, trying to take control of your own mind and affecting your own life. I believe that it's not healthy to hand over all your power and believe that depression is an outside disease that you can't affect. I know that when I've had difficult periods in my life and also many of my friends, like I've said, suffered from PTSD and been through terrible things. I've lived a very difficult life, and I know people who have. The things that made them feel better is when they woke up and said, you know what? I'm not going to allow this to damage me anymore. I'm going to take responsibility. I'm going to get up and I'm going to fight this as hard as I can. Right. And by the way, on that, I agree. So we agree? My favorite speech is the Rocky Balboa. Okay, so then we agree. Piers, we don't agree. No, we don't. You've got to let me interject when I don't agree with you, right? Sure. Where I don't agree with you is that there's no such thing as clinical depression. There absolutely is. Well, It's a proven scientific medical reality. There's a different argument about, have we gone a bit too soft, right? In schools and all the rest of it. Absolutely. Do I think some people moan and whine too much about their lot in life? Definitely. Are we a victimhood society? 100%. Okay. Is there such a thing as clinical depression? Absolutely. So we don't agree. And my argument is that if you actually bracket everybody who's not clinically depressed and doesn't have the genuine medical condition, then actually if millions of people are deemed to have depression, the ones who really need the help don't get it. That's my point. Well, that can that that I would agree with. You're right. I think it's certainly an overused term. If you don't you don't accept that there is such a thing as clinical depression. No, I don't. And that to me is a damaging view. Okay. Well, let me explain why. If someone comes to me and says I'm clinically depressed, or I feel very, very sad, I would say the first thing you need to do is stop accepting the identity of a clinically depressed person, stop accepting you have no control over this, and what you need to do is stop identifying that way, and let's work together to try and fight against this. There isn't an eminent doctor in the world who would tell you there is no such thing as clinical depression. I think I think you're simply beyond that. I think Johann Hari wrote a book saying exactly that, my friend. He's he's not an eminent doctor. He's a journalist. No, but he I said depression wasn't real long ago and was attacked for it, then Johann Hari wrote a book which actually What's that got to do with Johann Hari? Because he wrote a book proving me right. Most people, Johann Hari's a journalist. Sure. And and my point is that a lot of people who are clinically depressed are suffering with something in their life, and if you fix the problem in their life, perhaps they won't feel depressed anymore. It's not a disease. Yeah, but Andrew. It's situational. Andrew, you're simply wrong. If that's what you believe, Piers. It's my believe. I don't believe in things that take power away from you. There is not an eminent doctor in the world. Piers, who would agree with you? You think you know more than doctors? I can't become clinically depressed. Why do you know? Because I don't believe in it. I can't be haunted by a ghost if I don't believe in ghosts. Well, that's like, I'm never going to die because I don't believe in it. It's ridiculous. Perhaps. But if it allows me to live a life where I feel happy and content myself. No, I don't lose you. Because someone with your following Here's where you again, this is that little area where you lose me.
[3:12]Piers, the thousands of people, the thousands of people who have emailed me saying, my doctor told me I was clinically depressed and it's a disease that I have got in my brain and I can't be fixed. And I started listening to you and I realized that that's not the case and I can fix my own life and you're the only person who has ever helped me. Oh, Andrew. Thousands of people have emailed me that exact email. If if you think you are single-handedly curing people of clinical depression, you are living in cloud cuckoo land. I am reading the emails of people who I have cured of clinical depression. You're reading emails from people who have believed you when you say there isn't such a thing and they've probably never been diagnosed clinically depressed. They just want to go along with what Andrew Tate says. I don't think so. And I think your view of that is that view is dangerous. I I I respect that you think my view is dangerous and I respect you have the right to view that, to think that. I think that clinical depression, I actually agree with you is massively overdiagnosed. I've already said that PTSD is a very real thing. I didn't, hang on. Again, you're misquoting me. I I did not say clinical depression is massively overdiagnosed. I said that people who claim to be depressed but don't have clinical depression, I think that is massively overblown, right? In other words, there are a lot of people who just have a bad day and declare, I've got depression. Yeah. And I I say, well, have you been to a doctor? Have you been clinically diagnosed? If you have, and you have clinical depression, that's one thing. But if you haven't, we could probably work on some mental strength and resilience skills with you. But a a clinically depressed person has a an absolutely proven medical condition that is beyond their control. Not according to me and many others, my friend. Well, look, what do you know about it, honestly? I know from You're not a doctor, are you? You're not trained, are you? I'm not a doctor. You're not a psychiatrist. You're not one of those things. Sure. You're a guy on the make. He's done very well for himself, spouting stuff off, much of which I agree with, as you've seen in the interview. Uh, but some of which is ludicrous, and that's one of them. It's not ludicrous. It is. It's not. If you said to me, we're in a victim who society has got to stop, I'm with you. At the moment you try and deny clinical depression. I believe feeling depressed is real. I do not believe it's a disease that you catch from the sky and you cannot affect. I believe that no matter what happens, I believe you have control over your own mind and you can fight against it. I believe if you change your circumstances in your life, you may feel different. I'll give you a quick example. I had a guy who emailed me saying he was clinically depressed and he was going to kill himself. I obviously am not a psychiatrist, I'm not a doctor. I told him, because I replied to my emails. I said, have you been to a psychiatrist? He said, yes. I'm clinically depressed. I've been on these pills, this much time. I've been on antidepressants. It doesn't work. I said, I don't know what to say to you besides this. And he said he lost his girlfriend. That's why he became clinically depressed. I said, listen, go to the gym, get a six-pack first. Once you've got a six-pack, email me again. If you still feel like killing yourself, I don't know what else to say to you, but I'd say strong body's a strong mind, go train. He went, he started sending me progress pictures, emailing me him getting in better, better shape, and eventually got a six-pack, he's now a professional bodybuilder. And he said, I can't believe I was considering that. I feel so much better, et cetera. The doctor who was telling him he was clinically depressed and couldn't cure it, he started taking control of his own life, and now he felt better. Now I'm not saying it's the case for everybody. I'm just saying Have you seen the guy's medical records? That's my question. Have you seen the guy's medical records? Of course not. I just told you the story. You're just taking his word for it. I am taking the words of a man who emailed me with a bunch of medication and specific pills. You're denying proven science because one guy writes to you who you help and you've not seen any evidence you ever had clinical depression diagnosed. I am denying the idea that you you And on the back of it, you go on your your, you know, rants in public to tens of millions of people, denying something because this guy writes to you and says he had it and you cured it. And I think that's a dangerous mindset, Andrew. That's fine. And that's where you don't have a responsible view of your influence over people. Disagree. It's very responsible because I'm saving people's lives. I disagree that if you're if you have if you feel depressed, I disagree that you cannot affect it and change your life and take control and fix yourself and feel happier. I disagree with that. Do you think do you think I I refuse to accept that there are people out there who cannot become happy, contented individuals. I refuse to accept we live in a world where God has created people who no matter how hard they work and how good their life becomes, can't be happy. I don't accept that. I accept that the universe is a very giving place and that God loves all of us and if you try your best and you work hard, you can become a better person and I also will argue with you and I'll counter the point. That you sitting here on your platform telling people they have clinical depression and there's nothing they can do about it is far more dangerous. And I didn't say that. Okay, well then if they have clinical depression, why do you why do you misquote me? Why I've been misquoted. No, because you're saying I've been misquoted. You're saying if people have clinical depression, they they have you do that. They go to a doctor and they get diagnosed and they get help. Then I would argue the point that somebody opposite of what you just said I said. I would argue the point that if somebody has depression of any kind, whether it's clinical, whether it exists or not, whether they feel depressed or not, whatever, that taking control of their life, taking personal responsibility and working hard, is always going to be the positive, best thing they can possibly do for their life going forward and people don't around them. How positive is that? It's sitting here saying, I don't believe in clinical depression, you don't believe in depression. No, I don't. I believe that people can take control and fight against things. I believe in personal sovereignty. Right. Good. So we agree. No, we don't. Yes, we do. No, we don't. Piers, you're on my side, afraid of being canceled along with me. I said to you from the start. I agree with a lot of what you say. That's all it is. Completely. So we're talking about But I'm taking you to task over the stuff I don't agree with you, and I'm just not sure you understand why it's wrong, which is in itself quite revealing.
