[0:00]We might have the strongest possible evidence yet for two-tier justice in Britain. Today it emerged that Isaac Donko, known as Young Drizz, has been let out of prison.
[0:11]He was locked up in 2019 after enlisting four boys under the age of 18 to attack a 16-year-old boy. He then filmed the victim, who was threatened with a machete and was told that Donko would cut him up, and he attempted to pull boiling water over the boy's head.
[0:29]The boy's parents were called, and that 16-year-old was forced to beg them for 1,500 quid so that he could be released. And now here is Young Drizz on film in police custody.
[0:41]He then says that you come back a few minutes later with a boiling kettle, and you go to pour it over his head.
[0:52]Feel like it's all coming on top of it at the moment, don't you? Or are you just sitting there planning on how you're going to get this victim to withdraw the statement?
[1:03]He even boasted about shooting people and other crimes in a music video.
[1:15]Yeah. He was sentenced for kidnap and false imprisonment, GBH and perverting the course of justice. But because of labor's early release scheme, it meant that two of his four offenses made him eligible for that early release. So now, naturally, he's back out on the streets.
[1:30]It doesn't really seem fair, does it? When you have people like Peter Lynch, who was sentenced to two years, eight months despite not committing a violent offense during the summer riots, and who apparently took his own life behind bars.
[1:43]I have called for there to be an inquiry into the incredibly harsh sentence handed down to Mr. Lynch. Not least by a judge who previously allowed a woman who killed a cyclist and a man who admitted committing a sexual act with a child to walk free.
[1:58]However, today, GBN News came into possession of this extract from the House of Lords records, which reveals that the Justice Minister, Lord Ponsonby, made this admission about people locked up for their role in the disorder.
[2:11]So here he is. He says, this was a particular situation where maybe the judges felt that even people who were of previous good character needed to be made an example of, but that was a matter for them.
[2:23]Well, that is an astonishing admission about potentially biased judges and one that needs to be investigated. Did they feel the people needed to make an example of because of stuff like this?
[2:35]And I'm now expecting substantive sentencing before the end of this week. That should send a very powerful message.
[2:44]Okay. Did this apply to people like Lucy Conley, who was jailed for 31 months for inciting racial hatred? Now, she was a childminder with no previous convictions, who did tweet something foul about asylum seekers. I'm not condoning what she said.
[2:58]But did this apply to Peter Lynch, who has now died? The judiciary, the Justice Minister, and Kema have serious questions to answer.
[3:07]Let's get thoughts from my panel this evening. We've got the Director of Public Services, Mark Littlewood. We've got landlord and activist Adam Brooks and journalist and broadcaster Nina Mikov. Um, Mark, quite an astonishing admission there.
[3:17]Do we not need to have an inquiry now, especially in the light of Peter Lynch's uh death behind bars and the release of uh our mate Young Drizz?
[3:27]Yeah, I mean, more importantly, congrats to GB News for going through Hansard and finding what Lord Ponsonby said. It's not the position, it shouldn't be the position of any judge to make an example of someone for wider public policy purposes.
[3:41]If Parliament or the government want to recategorize different offenses, legalize this, have stronger sentences for that, that should be passed through Parliament.
[3:54]The idea that judges are trying to affect public policy is absolutely chilling. And on the didn't state it as a fact. You didn't say that that appeared to be the words. He read it out. I mean, if there's any danger of that, that's quite serious that our judges are using sentencing for public policy ends, must not be allowed to happen in a fair democratic society at all ever. It should be completely banned and there's an implication in that answer and that it's occurring.
[4:20]On the early release. Look, on one, uh, let's be realistic. Almost all prisoners are released from jail, murderers, rapists, the whole lot.
[4:30]If the Labor government wants to say, look, the previous government didn't build enough prison spaces, their early release schedule should have been the non-violent people come out first. Yep.
[4:40]Right. If you are in jail for any non-violent offense, you go to the top of the list for early release. Any violent offense at the bottom of the list. And I find it extraordinary that these sort of characters are being released. When you've got people behind bars, who have committed a criminal offense, but are not a violent threat to society.
[5:04]Exactly. So even if you need early release, their ordering is absolutely wrong, unconscionable even. They told us that there was going to be no violent prisoners released early.
[5:14]Yet this man was so violent and so feared that a whole task force of the met were deployed to take him down. Now, again, his crimes, kidnapping, torture, conspiracy to imprison, Grievous Bodily Harm, blackmail.
[5:28]We see the video, uh, the BBC did a documentary on his case. I mean, he, he really is a serious gangster. And five years he's done out of 12 and a half years.
[5:40]What is the point of these sentences being handed down? For me, I'd like to see a complete overhaul of the system. If you get 10 years, you do 10 years because people like Lucy Connelly, yes, she tweeted something very foul, as you said.
[5:56]Is she a danger to society? Am I scared that my kids are going to run into Lucy Connelly? Well, she's a childminder. No, I'm not. She had no previous.
[6:05]Okay. Surely, she could have got community service, maybe an internet ban or a tagging or something like that. There is no need for a lady like that to be in prison.
[6:15]Are we being asked to believe, Nina, that a bloke K Starmer, who will not stop telling us about his legal history and his legal mind, stands up, makes a comment where he says publicly, I expect there to be strong sentences.
[6:28]And then judges go out and give longer sentences to people who shouted things at police officers than pedophiles and someone who's actually killed a cyclist amongst other people. They weren't leant on by the Prime Minister here.
[6:44]I don't know that they were lenon but I would just like to say this guy should not have been released and I think it's a complete mistake. It's a complete mistake and whether he's done 40% or 50%, he should be kept inside away from society until we can find a way of dealing with him.
[7:05]And that is, that is, there's, there's no equivocation about that. No. That, that, but then there are people who, who were released in the, in the last tranch, um, who were done by mistake and they are, they have all been brought back in now, I think. They've been all been brought back in.
[7:22]So there, hopefully that, that case will be looked at and he'll be brought back in, which is the, which is the, the great thing. Well, hopefully, yeah. But this wasn't an error. This wasn't an administrative error. This was a decision.
[7:30]Well, the thing is that is an, an error on their part in not taking into account the fact that they said nobody with any violent history or violent crimes would be considered in this scheme. Yes.
[7:44]Yeah. So that, that's exactly what they said. I just take a straw poll of the nation on whether or not Young Drizzy should be allowed out or, uh, who would you rather have in prison? You know, Peter Lynch or Young Drizz?
[7:56]That's exactly right. And going back to, because I think Patrick, you raised this really important point about how should our judges, who are supposed to be independent of the political process, how are they supposed to react when the Prime Minister says, and I now I expect you, when I say jump, I expect you to ask how high.
[8:14]If Ker's government wants to make it a much more serious offense to tweet something foul and offensive than it is to actually engage in violent conduct, they should pilot a criminal justice bill through Parliament that specifically sets sentencing guidelines.
[8:27]It's not appropriate for the Prime Minister, on a nudge and a wink and in a TV interview to indicate what judges should do. Really? We don't, we don't know that it happened. Well, we've seen the TV. I would just say what he said.
[8:40]But the thing is that whole situation of the rights had to be brought to a swift conclusion and justice had to be seen to be meted out to prevent it going further. Yeah, but I mean, but the, but the, the problem you get if you want an independent judiciary, is that the Prime Minister.
[8:56]We've seen the clip, we know exactly what he's said in public. If the Prime Minister is giving essentially guidance or a nudge to judges about how they should interpret sentencing, then I'm afraid the judiciary and politics have got way too mixed up. And I'm a man has died.
[9:14]A man has died. Exactly how he died, we're not 100% sure, but a man has died in prison. And that man was, many people might think, made an example of. No, I think he's said it was disproportionately harsh.
[9:28]Uh, and I've, I've read up on it. I, I, look, I don't condone the behavior that I've seen that he did that day, but I do not believe that warranted a custodial sentence, especially, was it three years?
[9:40]Two, two years, eight months. Right. Now, going back to, to the rapper that has, has just been released. If he then reoffends, if he hurts somebody, he's obviously quite a violent guy.
[9:51]If someone gets hurt in the next few years because he has been released early, this is going to be serious backlash on Ker and this government. And the public gonna be, public are going to be very, very angry. How do you know that he might not be recalled?
[10:07]Because as Ker said, nobody with any kind of violent crime was going to be released. And he has been released. No, they've released women beaters. They just went back on that promise, Nina. Yeah, but it's not. No, I, I. He's going to be recalled.
[10:20]The justice secretary should have made that clear this afternoon. It's only, it's only been, it's only just been discovered.
[10:30]I don't think you can do that in minutes. error of judgment. Not an administrative error. Well, he's tweeted himself that he's driving around now in an armored truck, one that's about 150,000. So obviously crime does pay. As a leading conservative MP pointed out when we had pictures of these people walking into their Bentleys and Rolls-Royces.
[10:55]At least there are some entrepreneurs who are doing well under the Stamer government. They'd be the only ones who are.
[11:00]They're not paying tax either, are they? They're not paying tax either, are they? Well, yeah, no, look, I I just I find it quite astonishing that you've got people like that who are, who are out on the streets and we, there's something quite overwing about this whole thing. You let someone like that guy who tried to pour scalding water over a 16-year-old.
[11:13]Disgraceful. A boy, criminal. disgusting. And that's just the stuff we know about, right? So one of, you know, so we, so we're being told that we need to let people like that out in order to stop the justice system from grinding to a halt. I E to keep us safe. Nonsense. Right?
[11:29]But we're also being told that someone like Peter Lynch or Lucy Connelly need to be behind bars for the good of the country. Well, how long have they been behind bars for? Well, a few months now, monthly. I mean, okay, say three months.
[11:42]Those are quite hefty sentences. Very hefty. They'll probably not. They might have to stay. So he's, he's, they've only been in prison for two months. They're also going to prison with the word racist and tattooed on their back, which is not a particular. Nobody said that. Nobody said that. Well, that's what they've gone down for.
[11:54]Nobody said that. Look, people that are involved in the riots are being targeted in UK prisons and that's a fact. A bit we've got, surely the thing we need to get to is that prison should be long stretches for very, very violent offenders in which we don't want them on the streets.
[12:10]Generally speaking, if what you've done is criminal but non-violent, we should not be looking for a custodial sentence. That should be the default position. But the whole of the, but the whole of the justice system and the whole of the prison system needs to be reformed. It's, it's not a question of building more prisons and locking up more people.
[12:27]We already lock up more people than anybody else. We go Russia, Turkey, and then us. I think they're Americans, aren't they more than. Well, yes, it's because they're Americans. I'm talking about Europe. But the thing is, we don't have a prison system. We've got paper of school offense. The, the main thing I think most people out there, the majority would like to see, if you go away for severe violence or a violent crime, you do your whole sentence.
[12:51]If you get 10 years, you do 10 years. Yeah, indeed. I mean, look, I I what I am calling for, I think many people are, is some kind of inquiry here into the relationship between the judicial system, the judiciary, the judges and and politics. And and whether or not there was any communication at all between number 10 and members of the judiciary.
[13:07]What was the relationship between Ker and members of the judiciary? Did he happen to know them from the old legal circuit? All of that stuff needs to be out in the open. A man has died. A man has died. And I think if there was a, if it was if it was in different circumstances and it was maybe a different man with a different background or whatever, I do think there would be more calls to look into this.
[13:30]But look, we'll, we'll, we're gonna have to knock it on the head for now. But, uh, a spokesperson for the Ministry of Justice said, the new government inherited a prison system on the point of collapse. It has been forced to introduce an emergency early release program to avert a crisis that would have overwhelmed the criminal justice system, meaning we would no longer be able to lock up dangerous criminals and protect the public.
[13:39]Absolutely true. Yes, yes. It's been forced to introduce an emergency early release program to avert a crisis that would have overwhelmed the criminal justice system, meaning we would no longer be able to lock up dangerous criminals and protect the public. Absolutely true. True. But they've let them out, Nina. They've let dangerous criminals out. Young Drizz is out.
[13:52]Why didn't you bring him out? Bring him back. Okay. We will build the prison places to ensure serious offenders can always be punished in jail. Right. Okay, good stuff. Well, um, yeah, I've got loads more coming your way.
[14:03]Uh, including, uh, a story that, that I know angered a lot of you at the time. Um, I'll tell you about it in in full in a second. Uh, it's about Labor MPs and the old axing of the winter fuel payment and then basically trying to charity wash that.
